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  • Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:40 PM
    Message # 7847493

    OK, Jon... get ready to ban me.

    As seen on twitter, my rankings of all 60 D-1 hockey programs as judged to be the 'best hockey schools'.

    60. UConn

    59. Arizona State

    58. Army-West Point

    57. Sacred Heart

    56. Princeton

    55. Penn State

    54. Robert Morris

    53. Niagara

    52. Holy Cross

    51. American International

    50. Bentley

    49. Western Michigan

    48. Alaska Anchorage

    47. Air Force

    46. Brown

    45. Massachusetts

    44. Merrimack

    43. Mercyhurst

    42. Canisius

    41. Alaska

    40. Vermont

    39. Dartmouth

    38. Colgate

    37. The Ohio State

    36. Minnesota State

    35. Alabama-Hunstville

    34. Notre Dame

    33. UMass-Lowell

    32. RIT

    31. Northeastern

    30. Ferris State

    29. Miami-Ohio

    28. Yale

    27. Bemidji State

    26. Quinnipiac

    25. St. Lawrence

    24. St. Cloud State

    23. Omaha

    22. Union

    21. Northern Michigan

    20. Providence

    19. Bowling Green State

    18. New Hampshire

    17. Clarkson

    16. Rensselaer (RPI)

    15. Harvard

    14. Lake Superior State

    13. Cornell

    12. Minnesota Duluth

    11. Michigan Tech

    10. Maine

    9. Michigan State

    8. Colorado College

    7. Wisconsin

    6. Denver

    5. Boston College

    4. Michigan

    3. Boston University

    2. Minnesota

    1. North Dakota

  • Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:48 AM
    Reply # 7851360 on 7847493
    What were the rankings based on?  What criteria were you using?
  • Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:06 PM
    Reply # 7852274 on 7847493

    Maine seems pretty high, ASU seems pretty low.  

  • Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:45 AM
    Reply # 7853052 on 7847493

    1            North Dakota

    2            Denver

    3            Boston College

    4            Michigan

    5            Boston University

    6            Minnesota

    7            Minnesota Duluth

    8            Providence

    9            Quinnipiac

    10          Wisconsin

    11          Cornell

    12          Maine

    13          St. Lawrence

    14          Colorado College

    15          Bowling Green State

    16          Clarkson

    17          St. Cloud State

    18          Western Michigan

    19          Miami-Ohio

    20          Michigan State

    21          Minnesota State

    22          Ferris State

    23          Notre Dame

    24          Lake Superior State

    25          Merrimack

    26          Northeastern

    27          Dartmouth

    28          Harvard

    29          Air Force

    30          Bemidji State

    31          Omaha

    32          Penn State

    33          The Ohio State

    34          UMass-Lowell

    35          Union

    36          Michigan Tech

    37          New Hampshire

    38          Northern Michigan

    39          Arizona State

    40          Princeton

    41          Holy Cross

    42          Colgate

    43          Massachusetts

    44          Mercyhurst

    45          Niagara

    46          UConn

    47          Sacred Heart

    48          Rensselaer (RPI)

    49          RIT

    50          Robert Morris

    51          Alaska Anchorage

    52          Army-West Point

    53          Brown

    54          Vermont

    55          Yale

    56          Alabama-Huntsville

    57          Alaska

    58          American International

    59          Bentley

    60          Canisius


  • Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:53 PM
    Reply # 7854194 on 7847493

    I hope Mavpuck doesn't ban you -- we are going to make mavpuck great again! - even before another podcast goes off the rails  :-) :-)

    Lists are subjective of course but I think overall that's not a bad list.   Nicely done! 


  • Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:26 PM
    Reply # 7854273 on 7851360
    Anonymous wrote:What were the rankings based on?  What criteria were you using?

    I used 5 criteria for the comparison.

    To account for history and tradition, I grouped all the schools by NCAA appearances, grouped them by Frozen Four appearance, and grouped them by NCAA Championships. This would benefit the stalwarts of NCAA Hockey -- like CC, Michigan, Minnesota, and the Bostons.

    To account for fan interest I rated teams by average attendance. To account for schools limited by smaller builds, I gave a bonus to schools based on percentage of capacity, if it appeared to be a limiting factor. This benefits schools like Penn State and Quinnipiac. There was no penalty for the Ohio State playing in a oversized arena.

    Finally, I looked at where the hockey programs fall in the athletic department hierarchy. This was meant to ground some larger school like Michigan (football and basketball school), Penn State (football, volleyball), Arizona State (football, baseball, basketball) and UConn (men's basketball, women's basketball, football) while benefiting the smaller schools for whom hockey is the prestige sport: Quinnipiac, Omaha, and the D-2/D-3 schools.

  • Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:29 PM
    Reply # 7854292 on 7852274
    Anonymous wrote:

    Maine seems pretty high, ASU seems pretty low.  


    Maine has tradition, history, and success. I fully expect the new kids (ASU, PSU) to race quickly through the list - but they need to build their legacies, first.

    I'm very happy with the balance. There are a few groupings that I think are up for grabs. There are a couple schools I could flip in the order and nobody would bat an eye.

  • Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:34 PM
    Reply # 7854295 on 7854194
    Anonymous wrote:

    Lists are subjective of course but I think overall that's not a bad list.   Nicely done! 


    Thanks, Quinn. Just tried to keep is subjective. Enter the numbers, see where the chips fall. I probably would have had a couple schools higher -- like SCSU. But then you see RPI in the Top 20, and you realize they're a forgotten program.

    If we did this again in 5 years... Penn State and Arizona State are probably moving up the list.  Michigan State, RPI, and a couple others are probably moving down. (But I think it's harder to fall off through these rankings than it is the climb.)

  • Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:02 AM
    Reply # 7855185 on 7847493

    I don’t see anything here controversial but I’m going to ask that Jon ban you just the same for old times sake. Probably would make you feel more at home anyway. 

    As far as the list itself and your reasoning I don’t see any obvious faults but I’m definitely not an expert at rankings. 

    Last modified: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:03 AM | Anonymous member
  • Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:22 PM
    Reply # 7855953 on 7847493

    I won't nitpick, it's a subjective list, although the goal is to be objective.  But it's difficult to be objective when it comes to a list like this.  Commend you on even attempting a list.

    I'll nitpick a little though.  And I'm doing so without having looked at any numbers or statistics, just going on feeling sorta, which is entirely contrary to me saying you gotta make it more objective.

    Vermont at 40 seems wrong.  Considering the NHL'ers they've placed.  Maybe that should be an added criteria.  Reminds me of a game my brother and I play, one names a player and the other has to name the school they played at.  He dominates me at this game.

    St. Cloud behind UNO.  I know UNO gets credit for attendance and their place in the hierarchy at the school.  And maybe I'm biased, St. Cloud will always hold a place for me.  I don't think hierarchy should have such a great place in the criteria, although it doesn't any of the bigger schools were really affected by it. 

    I have no problem with Maine at 10.  But much like Tech or Bowling Green who's success  was even longer ago, Maine and all of those could be ranked lower or will head that way soon without more success.  Good traditions at those schools though.

    I won't nitpick, it's a subjective list, although the goal is to be objective.  But it's difficult to be objective when it comes to a list like this.  Commend you on even attempting a list.

    I'll nitpick a little though.  And I'm doing so without having looked at any numbers or statistics, just going on feeling sorta, which is entirely contrary to me saying you gotta make it more objective.

    Vermont at 40 seems wrong.  Considering the NHL'ers they've placed.  Maybe that should be an added criteria.  Reminds me of a game my brother and I play, one names a player and the other has to name the school they played at.  He dominates me at this game.

    St. Cloud behind UNO.  I know UNO gets credit for attendance and their place in the hierarchy at the school.  And maybe I'm biased, St. Cloud will always hold a place for me.  I don't think hierarchy should have such a great place in the criteria, although it doesn't any of the bigger schools were really affected by it. 

    I have no problem with Maine at 10.  But much like Tech or Bowling Green who's success  was even longer ago, Maine and all of those could be ranked lower or will head that way soon without more success.  Good traditions at those schools though.

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