What's with all of the penalty reviews?

  • Monday, January 28, 2019 8:28 AM
    Reply # 7132865 on 7012323

    My experience has been that attempts to explain just leads to more disputes.

    Have to move the games along better.

    Ultimately, it falls to 'Stat Boy' to explain what the call was.

  • Monday, January 28, 2019 10:03 AM
    Reply # 7133172 on 7132865
    Anonymous wrote:

    My experience has been that attempts to explain just leads to more disputes.

    Have to move the games along better.

    Ultimately, it falls to 'Stat Boy' to explain what the call was.

    But in your case you are taking to coaches/parents and you don’t have video evidence backing you up. I’m not expecting 100% agreement with the ruling among fans but I think you would be surprised at, when presented with an actual definition along with a video, how many fans would agree with a call. Sometimes the rule is stupid, but the ref isn’t supposed to pick and choose when and how to enforce a penalty. Holding and interference could probably be called 30 times a game if a strict interpretation was followed,  so some latitude has to be given to the refs. But IF they are doing the video review anyway and especially if a major is being called then I think you will persuade more fans by showing the rule/explanation and the play where the penalty was called. You will still have the partisan fan for whom no amount of evidence would be enough. But they are not and never have been the people you want to convince. There is no convincing a fan who believes that t system has it out for their team.  It’s the HOCKEY fan who wants his team to win but win by the rules that you will convince  


  • Monday, January 28, 2019 10:33 AM
    Reply # 7133209 on 7012323
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I understand both arguments. 

    But it would be nice to enhance the game. Maybe this is something UNO could do via Twitter. 

    For example, they could have an account called “OmahaHKYstats” and have someone explain the calls during the game with a video snippet from the webcast (like @recoveringops does on his Twitter account during the games). 

    FYI, Ed — if you want more of that “stat monkey” and “replay analysis” information, follow @recoveringops on Twitter (it’s former UNO Hockey Director of Hockey Ops Sam Spomer, and it’s interesting stuff).

    He tweets his thoughts on officiating throughout the games. 

  • Monday, January 28, 2019 4:38 PM
    Reply # 7133904 on 7012323

    Not sure I’m really after a lot of stats, I am interested when a penalty is called especially if it comes at a critical time or is a major penalty. 

    The reason I don’t think you will get riots in the stands is because of the reaction I’ve seen and heard around me when a penalty is called and it actually IS replayed. These seem to be offside or hand pass calls, maybe too many men, and if the call goes against UNO the row behind me starts complaining about the officiating. And when the replay is shown and the ref is right, these guys usually grin and say “I blew that one, ref was right”. I don’t think I’ve heard them disagree when the video showed that the ref got it right. They aren’t the only ones complaining about calls, everyone around us can be heard complaining. And I’m not making an exemption for myself, friends or family. We ALL complain about some call. But when it’s replayed-which isn’t very often and I don’t recall it ever being a major, and the refs were right then we all have the “guess the refs aren’t blind” type of reaction. Going to games where I have no allegiance to either team I’ve heard the same type of reaction from fans-ref is corrupt, or blind until the play is shown and they make a joke about maybe they are the ones who are blind. Most fans are like that: your loyalty doesn’t end up overwhelming visual proof. 

    Now all of my examples are for penalties that aren’t dangerous. Have contact to the head  or a severe slash and then the chance of seeing a replay is zero. Plus if there is some nuance to a rule there isn’t anyone nearby who can explain it. I don’t read NCAA hockey regulations during my free time and I doubt many people do. But with nothing more than contact to the head or fighting or another penalty that can get a player kicked out as an explanation. I honestly think the reaction of fans would be mostly the same. If the penalty is obvious on the replay then most fans would agree, although probably not enthusiastically. 

    The only time I can see a big problem is if the call appears controversial. I am making an assumption that a blow to the head is absolute. You don’t get any benefit if the guy lowers his head to shoulder height right before contact. I don’t KNOW if that’s the way it’s called but based on other sports with similar rules I assume so. That is the only time I think replay might cause a fan reaction. 

  • Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:04 PM
    Reply # 7139509 on 7012323

    Not all penalties happen on camera.

    There are only three or four cameras per game at Baxter Arena (up to six, if you count two rafter cams above the goals). Some things happen so far away from the play, none of the cameras catch them. You're also banking on someone in the video room knowing enough about hockey or what the ref saw to spot the call.

    Maybe it's laze. Maybe it's just that they don't know, or can't queue it up quickly enough.

  • Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:28 AM
    Reply # 7144204 on 7012323

    On the 5 minute kneeing call from last night:   the same thing happened the week before in the UND/SCSU game and the refs could not review it since there was no penalty.

    I as under the impression that Without a penalty call, the referees weren’t able to use video to review the play

    Rule 93.4 and 93.7 give the criteria for review and unless i'm missing something the refs totally blew that call by going to replay.

    someone correct me if I am incorrect

    as an aside NCHC officiating has really taken a step back this year imo

  • Sunday, February 03, 2019 7:32 PM
    Reply # 7144965 on 7139509
    Anonymous wrote:

    Not all penalties happen on camera.

    There are only three or four cameras per game at Baxter Arena (up to six, if you count two rafter cams above the goals). Some things happen so far away from the play, none of the cameras catch them. You're also banking on someone in the video room knowing enough about hockey or what the ref saw to spot the call.

    Maybe it's laze. Maybe it's just that they don't know, or can't queue it up quickly enough.

    Then it's called, or not, by the refs on the ice. But a lot of the reviews have been to see if a 5 minute major/game disqualification should be called on an existing penalty. Those BETTER be on camera, otherwise what is the justification for any review?

    And Quinn said something in his post that I also thought was true- you cannot  call for a review of a play if a penalty was not called in the first place. Was the 5 minute major charged against UNO for kneeing reviewable since no penalty was initially called?

  • Sunday, February 03, 2019 8:49 PM
    Reply # 7145032 on 7012323
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Officiating in the NCHC has been a hot mess this season. They really need to address it in the offseason because it is impacting the pacing and flow of the game. 

    Mason Morelli was asked a question about this in the weekly press conference — and how careful players have to be about big hits this season. 

    “You’ve just got to be careful now more than ever. The big hits, like Zach [Jordan] said, are kind of fading out of the game. So it’s all about forechecking with your feet, and having a good stick.”

    My hope is that the officiating settles into a groove, officials start to call games more consistently, penalties aren’t called after the fact, and the ebb-and-flow of games can return to normal. 

    But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned about the game becoming a “finesse” game in the future — where checking becomes a rarity and the whole effect is something more like “soccer on ice.”

    Don’t want to see that happen. 

  • Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:42 PM
    Reply # 7145074 on 7012323

    Any injury potential play can be reviewed for a major penalty. You cannot assess a minor penalty based on video - unless the original call was a minor.

  • Monday, February 04, 2019 12:40 PM
    Reply # 7146036 on 7012323

    A couple of years ago, the Big Ten changed their rules to say that the video board could show the same replays the officials are reviewing, at least in football.  We may not understand the judgement, but at least we know what the officials are looking at.

    It's a transparency that eliminates some of the discord.

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